Legislature(2007 - 2008)SENATE FINANCE 532
03/12/2008 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE
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SENATE BILL NO. 221
"An Act making appropriations, including capital
appropriations, supplemental appropriations, and
appropriations to capitalize funds; and providing for
an effective date."
9:14:51 AM
Co-Chair Stedman requested that all agencies prioritize
their FY 09 requests. He noted that the committee would
start with information regarding the request of $42 million
for information technology projects (IT) contained in the
budget using FY 08 revenue. He indicated there was a good
chance that the committee would alter that request to FY 09.
9:16:40 AM
Co-Chair Stedman asked the Administration to talk about how
they planned to deal with IT challenges the state faces over
the next several years and discuss the interrelationships
between the various departments.
9:18:18 AM
KAREN REHFELD, DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET
presented the IT projects funding proposed with the FY 08
surplus. Ms. Rehfeld indicated that the budget was presented
in December and included proposed expenditures for FY 08 and
FY 09 with the supplemental items and the proposed special
savings plan. The FY 08 use of surplus was for 32 projects
with $29 million in general funds (GF) and $5 million GF
proposed for the capitalization of the ISF fund. She
explained that the proposal is to use $34 million out of the
FY 08 surplus in the appropriation bill introduced in a
separate section with an effective date for June 30, 2008 so
that it would be clear it would be a surplus not
supplemental request. She indicated that there was $2.7
million in federal money with $5.2 million of other funds
equaling the $42 million on the spending plan.
Ms. Rehfeld also indicated there were IT projects included
in the FY 09 request for 27 projects in the regular portion
of the budget; $24 million in total with $2 million GF and
$7.7 million in federal funds and $14.3 million of other
funds. She emphasized that technology is a significant
component of agency operations and their ability to deliver
efficient services to Alaskans. Ms. Rehfeld noted areas of
concern in updating the technology with some system
replacement over the next several years. Ms. Rehfeld
stressed that the Department of Administration had worked
hard to get the statewide IT planning process in place and
continued to make improvements in that area.
9:22:18 AM
RACHEL PETRO, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF
ADMINISTRATION, indicated that all requests in the FY 08 and
FY 09 budgets were reviewed as part of the FY 09 IT planning
process. Ms. Petro provided a brief history of how
improvements have been made, beginning in 2002, when the
state commissioned the initial study to develop a statewide
information technology plan, often referred to as the PTI
plan, after the company that had been given the contract. In
2003, the Information Technology Group (ITG) within the
Department of Administration was asked to develop an
enterprise implementation strategy building on the 2002
plan. She reported that in August 2003, another contractor
was hired to develop an actual enterprise or corporation
wide IT integration plan. Ms. Petro indicated that this set
in motion a departmental IT planning process, established
the enterprise IT governance model, set up the IT budget
planning process and also changed the name of the ITG to the
Enterprise Technology Services Division (ETS).
Ms. Rehfeld pointed out that since 2003 the state used this
basic governance model presented in the plan: SOA IT
Governance Structure, Prepared by DOA ETS, March 11, 2008,
(copy on file). Ms Petro explained that the process begins
with each individual department submitting their IT plans
for the year, which are reviewed by the Technology
Management Council made up of a representation of all
departments. She signified that there is a technical
and enterprise mission review for efficiency, accessibility,
and security.
9:25:45 AM
Ms. Petro stated that the Enterprise Review Team reviews the
technology, policy and overall investment aspects before
going to the Enterprise Investment Board. The board consists
of the Office of the Governor, Office of Management and
Budget, the Commissioner of the Department of
Administration, the Director of the Enterprise Technology
services, and a representative of the Administrative
Services Director's team. Ms. Petro concluded that the final
step in the process goes from the Enterprise Investment
Board, with recommendations from the ERT, to the EIB who
makes recommendations to approve or not approve projects.
Finally it moves to OMB where there is a list of approved
projects meeting state standards to create more efficiency
within state government to deliver the best services for the
least amount of money. Ms. Petro disclosed that these
approved projects can then be inserted into different
department budgets. Ms. Petro stressed that IT projects not
approved by the EIB are not considered for the budget. Ms
Petro emphasized that the process is evolving to better
align the planning process with the budget process.
9:27:49 AM
Ms. Petro responded to Co-chair Stedman's request on the
relationship between Enterprise Technology Services and
different agencies, IT divisions and groups. She noted that
basically the relationship was that of customer and service
deliverer. She explained that any centralized IT service,
such as the Microsoft Outlook and email and calendaring, and
are worked with in the departments. Ms. Petro stated that
there are business needs driven by agency missions often not
suited to the centralized model. The overall picture is to
improve central services to reduce support costs.
9:29:26 AM
Co-Chair Hoffman requested a summary sheet for all the
projects. Ms. Rehfeld indicated that it is possible to
obtain one consolidated list for FY 08 and FY 09.
Senator Huggins questioned if the Alaska Land Mobile Radio
system (ALMR) went through this process. Ms. Rehfeld stated
that it did not as it was a separate capital project.
Senator Huggins wondered if there was a similar management
technique. Ms. Rehfeld indicated that ALMR did not have this
same structure.
9:30:49 AM
Co-Chair Stedman requested from Ms. Rehfeld an elaboration
in the decision to use FY 08, not FY 09, money.
Ms. Rehfeld commented that there was a delay in the final
review process with the EIB that had to do with releasing
the budget requests early for the FY 09 budget process. It
was hoped that the projects could be included for
consideration as a request for the FY 08 surplus.
Co-Chair Stedman understood that there was a four percent
target for FY 09 and asked for an elaboration since he was
aware that four percent had its limitations.
9:32:47 AM
Ms. Rehfeld agreed that they were looking for a four to four
and a half percent change from FY 08 to FY 09. She
acknowledged that after putting out the December budget it
was based on the anticipated additional expenditures in FY
08, including supplementals that are now before the
committee. She stated that when looking at the overall
operating and capitol budget in December there was a target
of $4.4 billion in FY 09. She informed the committee that
there will be another forecast that will look different from
December.
Co-Chair Stedman applauded the goal to keep within the four
percent target range. He considered that both the
Administrative and Legislative branches need to work
together to reach these goals. He emphasized that the
concern of the committee is that there is now a twelve to
fourteen percent range, but there is a need to move below
the ten percent range to the possible four percent mentioned
earlier.
Co-Chair Stedman explained that the committee believed it
was a difficult goal to meet some of the governor's budget
requests.
9:35:18 AM
Ms. Rehfeld signified that the Administration would work
with the Legislature to meet this overall goal.
Co-Chair Stedman noted that the committee intended to use FY
09 revenue when the capital budget was put together so there
will be some shifting of items.
Senator Elton contended that the chart indicated there were
many people and large overhead involved in making
recommendations on technology services. He wondered how many
hours were involved with the high level policy makers.
Senator Elton also noted many service providers were
represented on the chart, but there were no represented
recipients. He questioned how the service receiver's needs
are incorporated.
9:37:00 AM
Ms. Petro commented that the Enterprise Investment Board
invests about four to six hours a year and the Enterprise
Review Team spends double or triple that time going through
the detailed projects from a policy perspective to provide
final recommendations for the EIB. Ms. Petro noted that the
Technology Council meets regularly every other week and the
Ad Hoc meets as needed. She emphasized that the departments
focus on the issue full time. She could not answer how the
customers are incorporated into the process, but believed
the feedback from customers was supplied from various
departments and divisions. Ms Petro reported that most of
the time there is no direct feedback unless something fails.
9:39:16 AM
Co-Chair Hoffman inquired about the cost savings to the
state once everything has been implemented. He wondered that
with a more stream-lined process if this would translate
into personnel savings.
Ms. Petro remarked that one of the recognized challenges is
how IT projects can save the state money, but unfortunately
there was little data on this subject. She revealed that
part of revising the plan and starting a project management
office within the Enterprise Technology division was to
bring more firm numbers on the saving investment. Ms. Petro
hoped to have this data next year when meeting with the
committee. She suggested that as the IT division grows there
will be a greater need for more IT people, but less need for
other types of individuals.
9:41:54 AM
Co-Chair Hoffman commented that the problem policy makers
have in trying to keep costs under control is the difficulty
in making decisions without having all the information. He
emphasized that decisions are often made on faith and hope,
but the committee needs some assurances that this is not
expanding government, or if it is, what will be the
benefits.
Ms. Petro replied that one example was proper software
blocks pop-ups on inappropriate websites, which in turn
keeps bandwidth costs down.
9:43:58 AM
Co-Chair Stedman wondered if employees would be looking at
inappropriate websites if the software was not in place.
Ms. Petro noted that pop-up ads appear on all forms of
websites, including news and information sites.
9:44:52 AM
Senator Elton asked if the structure to review the
technology would also deal with the difficultly in
attracting IT personnel needed to maintain and run the
systems.
Ms. Petro acknowledged that it is not part of the formal
process, but part of the larger recruitment retention issue
the department is studying. She reported that although there
is no formal process, there is a process in the Enterprise
Technology Division to inventory existing staff to best
utilize their talents and cross-train those already in
place.
9:46:21 AM
Senator Elton questioned if the money was used to get this
technology would there be people available to make it work,
since he has heard it is difficult to recruit IT personnel.
9:47:07 AM
Ms. Petro responded that ETS and the Administration are very
aware that to make the project successful requests are kept
realistic. She pointed out that often contractors are
utilized to carry out larger projects.
9:48:31 AM
Co-Chair Stedman asked about the $2 million in network
security and $2.7 million in facility remediation. Ms. Petro
noted that repairs were needed to the facilities remediation
in the two major data centers in Anchorage and Juneau.
Co-chair Stedman requested an email with a flow chart that
could be posted on the Finance Committee website. Ms. Petro
agreed and said it would also be posted on the ETS website.
AT EASE: 9:49:36 AM
RECONVENED: 9:50:42 AM
Co-Chair Stedman reconvened stating that they were going to
take a breather on IT to get the report and have the
department return at a later time.
9:51:46 AM
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES
ARNOLD LIEBELT, FACILITY CHIEF, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND
SOCIAL SERVICES, provided a PowerPoint presentation entitled
the Department of Health and Social Services (DHSS) FY 09
Capital Budget Request (copy on file). Mr. Liebelt reviewed
the mission of DHSS to promote and protect the health and
well being of Alaskans. He emphasized that great effort to
support this mission is used in putting together the budget
for capital projects.
Mr. Liebelt started with the McLaughlin Youth Center
Renovation to Meet Safety and Security Needs, reference
number 41336 at $19,503,700, (General Funds) (P. 2). He
informed that committee that an Anchorage design consultant
was hired to investigate and analyze the safety and security
deficiencies in the four oldest youth facilities throughout
the state; the Bethel Youth Facility, the Fairbanks Youth
Facility, the Johnston Youth Center and the McLaughlin Youth
Center. The Department plan spans a six-year period to find
the most responsible and financial way to address the severe
deficiencies existing in these facilities. The number one
priority out of that study is Phase 1 for the McLaughlin
Youth Center. He laid out the four phases (p.3) to address
the safety and security issues. He pointed out that number
three (orange) is a new twenty-five bed detention unit
replacing the oldest detention unit in the state. He noted
that to construct the new detention facility on that site,
it will have to take over the existing outdoor recreation
site which will then be relocated on area marked number one.
The area marked number four would be screened for visual
blockage of the street because a forced evacuation does not
allow for any security and the young residents would have
access to Providence Drive, shown at the top of the photo.
Mr. Liebelt revealed that new parking would take place in
the area marked number two. He explained that changing areas
during renovations results in a domino effect moving the
young people to various buildings. The overall summary for
the next six years is to be found on page four.
9:57:15 AM
Co-Chair Hoffman questioned if it was better to centralize
youth facilities or expand regional facilities. Co-chair
Hoffman believed it was better at the regional rather than
state level but requested advice from the experts on the
best method.
STEVE MCCOMB, ACTING DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF JUVENILE JUSTICE,
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES, indicated that the
goal and long range plans would be for expanded renovated
facilities at the regional level but the immediate need was
to provide safety and security for the residents. He
stressed that to meet the department mission, updated
facilities and good security supervision is of the highest
concern.
10:01:51 AM
Senator Thomas inquired if statistics are kept in the
facilities on recidivism. Mr. McComb commented that
statistics are kept. He indicated that recidivism is at
thirty five percent, par for the national average. He
reported that the residents are kept busy throughout the
day; if they are on the treatment side, they are allowed to
work at sites within the community.
10:04:01 AM
Senator Elton noted that the $20 million for the McLaughlin
projects seemed primarily for construction of the Juvenile
Justice Center (p. 4). Senator Elton noted that the center
would be occupied by programs in conjunction with non-profit
agencies, such as the Boys and Girls Club, the Anchorage
School District and others. He wondered if a fee would be
charged to these groups for use of the facilities.
Mr. McComb replied that if the center is able to supervise
the young people in the community and provide a facility for
school and other treatment, then they could live at home
creating a cost savings to the state.
10:06:15 AM
Senator Elton asked why it is the state's responsibility to
build a new home at McLaughlin for the ancillary programs
when other communities have such programs but there are no
plans to build a facility for them.
10:07:36 AM
Mr. McComb replied that Anchorage is only one that has this
type of community retention program. He acknowledged that
other statewide facilities work with clubs and organizations
outside the facility but with the volume of young people in
Anchorage it is beneficial to bring these programs inside
the facility, otherwise the necessity to provide
transportation to these programs would be difficult and
costly.
Senator Elton remarked that the Boys and Girls Club in
Juneau provides the transportation need so he is not
entirely convinced that a new home at $20 million is
required in Anchorage for these programs.
Co-Chair Stedman declared that the department should work on
getting support for their program.
AT EASE: 10:08:54 AM
RECONVENED: 10:09:29 AM
10:10:15 AM
Mr. Liebelt continued his presentation with the Sitka
Pioneer Home Roof Replacement, project number 45177,
$1,900,000 (General Fund) (p. 5). Mr. Liebelt commented that
the Sitka Pioneer Home, constructed in 1933, is the oldest
facility cared for by the DHSS. Most of the roof system is
original and needs to be replaced. Mr. Liebelt remarked that
an issue affecting the roof is that it is unique historical
building with a Terra Cotta tile roof. At present there are
about forty-one leaks and dangerous working conditions.
Co-Chair Stedman commented that the building is old but well
built.
Senator Thomas questioned if the continued use of Terra
Cotta tiles was because of the building's historic
designation. He remarked that there are metal or other
materials that look like tiles which might be a better long
run solution. Mr. Liebelt stressed that as a historic
facility it was necessary to be conscious of the long
process to change this type of roof system but he believed
that the Terra Cotta tiles were a prudent system in the long
run.
10:13:23 AM
Mr. Liebelt continued with the Alaska DHSS Deferred
Maintenance Renovation, Repair and Equipment, project number
45641, for $7,191,600. He recounted a change in the fund
source from the Alaska Student Loan Corporation to the
Alaska Capital Investment Fund, with a small amount of
federal funding. Mr. Liebelt referred to the list of twenty-
one facilities maintained by the department in need of
immediate and critical renewal, repair, replacement and the
acquisition of new equipment (p.6).
Co-Chair Stedman wondered if the list was prioritized and
the department's plan to deal with potential overrun. Mr.
Liebelt remarked that the list reflects the highest
prioritized listing.
Co-chair Stedman speculated that if a lesser amount of money
was allocated would there be a prioritized list on what
would be the top projects. Mr. Liebelt remarked that if a
lesser amount was allocated then the department would
prioritize those projects along the highest needs. Co-Chair
Stedman requested that a complete prioritized list be
presented to the committee
10:16:24 AM
Senator Dyson inquired about the criteria used in making
decisions on what projects to do when there is not enough
money to do everything on the list. Senator Dyson suggested
that the Finance Committee draft amendments requiring
prioritized lists from departments to be presented with
budget requests. He stressed that this would make it easier
for the committee to make evaluations when it is necessary
to pick and choose from projects.
10:18:09 AM
Co-Chair Stedman agreed that the committee would like to
work with the prioritized list but reiterated that the
committee has the discretion to make decisions outside the
list.
Mr. Leibelt indicated that there are prioritized lists
within the budget requests for each one of the buildings.
This allows the department to use the money for the highest
need of the building or facility.
10:19:49 AM
Mr. Liebelt referred to the Non-Pioneer Home Deferred
Maintenance, Renovation, Repair and Equipment, reference
number 31862, for $757,600 (p.7). This request would fund
additional high priority projects.
Co-Chair Stedman asked if this list was also prioritized.
Mr. Leibelt declared that they were but would be at a lower
priority then those listed on page 6.
Co-Chair Stedman requested that a dollar value be attached
to the six facility requests on page 6.
10:22:00 AM
Mr. Liebelt continued with the Federally Mandated Child and
Family Services Review, project number 45404, for $200,000
($151.7 General Fund; $48.3 in matching Federal Receipts).
LAURA BAKER, ACTING DIRECTOR, FINANCE AND ACCOUNTABILITY,
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES, noted that this
federally mandated child and family services review project
was put in the capital bill. She indicated that this is a
one-time project to address the outcomes of the federal
review and implement the program improvement plan for the
Office of Children's Services. She signified the importance
of having these funds available for the implementation
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process that may go beyond the end of the June 30 fiscal
year.
10:23:56 AM
Mr. Liebelt continued with the the Safety and Support
Equipment for Probation Officers, Social Workers and Pioneer
Home Residents and Staff, project number 32446, for $837,800
($399.7 General Fund Match, $350.3 General Fund, $87.8
Federal) (p.9). He explained that this is a consolidated
one-time equipment request. He pointed out that the most
significant request of $94,000 for the Alaska Pioneer Homes
is to reduce liabilities and injuries to staff and
residents. Mr. Liebelt reported that this is a pilot project
at the Palmer Alaska Veterans and Pioneers Home.
10:26:13 AM
Senator Huggins questioned if the pioneer home or state is
receiving money from the veteran's administration, and if
so, he wondered where the money was going. Mr. Liebelt was
not sure.
Co-Chair Stedman requested that the federal money
information regarding veterans be brought to the committee.
10:27:29 AM
Mr. Liebelt continued with a detailed list of the equipment
needs for Juvenile Justice and the Office of Children
Services, (p. 9). Mr. Liebelt then moved to the Information
Services Security Enhancements, project number 35721 for
$1,000,000(Federal Receipts) (p. 10)followed by the Craig
Public Health Center Replacement, project number 45182, for
$797,900 (General Fund/Match) (p.11). He remarked that this
request would provide matching funds for the construction of
a new health center in the City of Craig. This is a $6.5
million project and the amount requested would be the
department contribution. He remarked that this project would
bring the health center up to more modern medical standards.
Mr. Liebelt continued with the Emergency Medical Services
Ambulances and Equipment Statewide - Match for Code Blue
Project, project number 42837, for $425,00 (General Fund
Match) (p. 12).
10:31:04 AM
Mr. Liebelt reviewed the Mental Health Capital Projects
Essential Program Equipment, project number 33672, for
$250,000 (General Fund/Mental Health Trust) (p. 13). He
indicated that this is a previous request to award funds to
non-profit providers for services to trust beneficiaries
throughout the state. He indicated that this was a popular
program awarded on a statewide competitive basis. Mr. Leblet
moved on to the next project, Mental Health Home
Modification and Upgrades to Retain Housing, project number
33671 for $500,000 ($250,000 General Fund, $250,000 MHTAAR)
(p. 14). This is a grant program providing funding for
improvement in private homes to maintain a more independent
lifestyle. Mr. Liebelt asserted that these awards are
limited to individual homes at about $12,000. Mr. Liebelt
moved to the next project, Mental Health Treatments and
Recovery Based Special Needs Housing, project number 37901,
for $750,000 ($250,000 General Fund, ($250,000 AHFC Receipts
and $250,000 MHTAAR) (p. 15). He acknowledged that this is
also a competitive statewide program providing funds for
agencies to develop transitional housing units supporting
recovery sustainability for a high risk, severally impaired
or the chronically alcoholic to remain in the client's
community of origin or nearby hub which he believed
was critical to the recovery process.
10:33:06 AM
Mr. Liebelt listed the five IT projects starting with the
Electronic Vital Record Registration System, reference
number 42853, for $3,724,500 (General Fund) (p. 16). He
explained that the twenty year old system runs on the DOS
format. Mr. Lieblet listed some of the benefits derived from
a new system.
Senator Elton questioned if this went through the process.
Mr. Liebelt replied that it did.
Senator Elton questioned why IT is developing software at
the cost of $2,530,000 when there must be available software
already written.
PHILLIP MITCHELL, SECTION CHIEF, VITAL STATISTICS, DIVISION
OF PUBLIC HEALTH, remarked that each state has its own
requirements and laws for vital record systems. He pointed
out that any existing software purchased would have to be
revised and modified to reflect current state laws which can
be a time consuming process.
Co-Chair Stedman questioned if these requests were the
lowest priority for the department since they were listed on
the bottom.
Mr. Liebelt indicated that the department would like to
reexamine the priority list.
10:36:12 AM
Mr. Liebelt continued with the Evaluate Eligibility
Information System Alternative - Phase Two, project number
42854, for $864,300 ($84,900 General Fund, $389,700 General
Fund Match, $389,700 Federal) (p. 17). He remarked that this
system needs to investigate alternatives for replacing the
existing EIS system since total replacement is very costly.
He reviewed the three alternatives; adding functionality to
an existing system, looking at another state's system with
the possibility of transferring and modifying that system,
or developing a custom replacement system from scratch. Mr.
Liebelt indicated that over $172 million in PA payments are
issued using this system to determine eligibility serving
over 67,000 individuals monthly. Mr. Liebelt moved to
Eligibility Information System Maintenance, project number
42856 for $427,800 ($159,100 General Fund Match, $105,300
General Fund, $163,400 Federal) (p. 18). He explained that
this is tied to the previous request as this existing system
needs to remain operational until a new system is online,
which could be anywhere from eight to ten years. Mr. Liebelt
described the Fraud Case Management System Replacement,
project number 42858, for $298,200 ($110,900 General Fund
Match, $73,400 General Fund, $113,900 Federal) (p.19). He
declared the existing system outdated, unstable and
impossible for multiple users. He emphasized that the
existing system contained over twenty years of fraud case
history. He reported that it would also be a web based
system, which does not exist now.
10:40:30 AM
Mr. Liebelt concluded with the Emergency Medical Services -
Emergency Communications, reference number 33443 for
$265,000 (General Fund) (p. 20). He signified that this
project will protect the health and safety of Alaskans by
maintaining and updating the legacy Emergency Communication
Systems. He noted that these systems are used in rural
Alaska by emergency medical responders where the Alaska Land
Mobile Radio (ALMR) is not available. Mr. Liebelt explained
this request will update the Statewide EMS Communications
plan, fund the completion of the highest priority repair and
completion projects, and assess the repair/replacement needs
of existing VHF/HB base station/repeater network that
support two way communications with hospitals, health care
providers, and law enforcement agencies.
10:41:28 AM
Co-Chair Hoffman requested the process that will be used to
in re-prioritize these items.
Mr. Liebelt responded that there would be several criteria
including alternate funding sources, delaying certain
projects, and a thorough look at which components are most
vital.
10:42:43 AM
Co-Chair Stedman requested the re-prioritized list be sent
to the committee.
Senator Elton wondered in reference to the Emergency Medical
Services, (p. 20) if this was an indication that the
department had given up on the exiting system.
Mr. Liebelt replied that the ALMR system does not work
statewide.
Senator Elton questioned if there will then be two systems,
the legacy system and the ALMR system.
Mr. Liebelt acknowledged there would be two systems.
10:45:11 AM
LETA SIMONS, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF SUPPORT SERVICES,
DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES, listed the four items of IT
FY 09 capital projects to utilize FY 08 funding.
Project # 41410
Alaska Land Mobile Radio, Phase Two
$450,000
Ms. Simons reported that this project funds the Division of
Forestry's migration to FCC mandated narrow banding by
January 1, 2013 and Alaska Land Mobile Radio (ALMR)
standards. Ms. Simons noted that over a three-year period
this would cost over $1,000,000.
Project # 38872
Unified Permit Project, Completion of Phase 4
$800,000
Ms. Simons explained that the project provides applicants
and state employees with an automated system to process
documents in state land and water resources, including
leases, water rights, burn permits, land title transfers,
etc.
Project # 45269
DNR Document Management System
$1,200,000 (General Fund)
Ms. Simons remarked that this project automates DNR paper
case files by converting them to digital format via scanning
based upon state standards. The DNR has over 100,000 active
cases related to land use authorizations and property
rights.
Project # 45270
DNR Information Technology Infrastructure Upgrades
$276,000 (General Fund)
Ms. Simons asserted that it is vital to upgrade the IT
infrastructure to effectively and efficiently administer its
charter under the Alaska Constitution and the slkate's
\natural resource management.
Co-Chair Stedman requested an integration of the last four
items in the overall list.
AT EASE: 10:48:09 AM
RECONVENED: 1:41:41 PM
DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME
JEFF HOOVER, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,
DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME presented an overview of the
twenty three projects.
Co-Chair Stedman asked that the request be ranked in
priority order.
Mr. Hoover replied that the requests are listed in priority
order in the governor's bill. There are no IT projects
funded with the FY 08 money.
Project # 43322
Statewide Maintenance Repair
$1,000,000 General Fund
Mr. Hoover reported that this request provides for the
repair, maintenance and renovation of department statewide
facilities, vessel/aircraft repair, and the purchase of
field equipment. This is a four-part ongoing annual request
for statewide deferred maintenance facilities in over forty
locations statewide, vessel maintenance for the department's
five vessels, aircraft maintenance for eleven aircraft and
field equipment and maintenance for regional wildlife
biologists.
Project # 45363
Power Backup for Genetics Laboratory
$100,000 General Fund
Mr. Hoover noted this one-time project covers the purchase
and installation of an appropriately-sized generator to
power all ultra-cold freezers in case of an electrical power
outage at the Alaska Department of Fish and Game offices in
Anchorage. These freezers contain over 450,000 specimens at
an investment of over $3,000,000.
Project # 45368
Assessment of Pacific Salmon Resources in AYK, Northern
Region
$150,000 General Fund
Mr. Hoover noted this study evaluates the distribution and
abundance of Pacific salmon in Arctic freshwaters north and
east of Point Hope, Alaska. Prior studies, completed in the
mid-80s, need to be updated.
Project # 42948
Fairbanks Regional Office Enclosed Secure Storage Compound
Design/Construction
$2,000,000 General Fund
Mr. Hoover explained that this project was for the design
and construction of a new storage facility and a secure
outside storage area. He noted several thefts over the years
have pushed risk management not to insure the contents in
and around that location. The proposal is for a new secure
facility of 10,000 sq. ft. of internal storage and 25,000
sq. ft. of secure outside storage for departmental
equipment.
Project # 45381
Subsistence Technical and Scientific Reporting Integration
into Department Database
$127,400 General Fund
Mr. Hoover indicated that this would provide subsistence
information in text-searchable databases for easy access by
the public. The currrent database is not easy to access.
Senator Elton asked if a record is maintained on how many
hits the website receives.
Mr. Hoover did not have that information but would direct it
to the committee.
Project # 45369
Kodiak Aircraft Hangar Upgrade
$225,000
Mr. Hoover declared this a one time project to construct a
hanger to house the four department owned aircraft; the
present facility can only house one aircraft.
Project # 42981
Kodiak Near Island Facility
$2,000,000 General Fund
Mr. Hoover noted that they are working with the Kodiak
Island borough to build and construct a research facility on
Near Island. The current building is a state owned crowded
building located in downtown Kodiak. He explained that the
department would like to add an adjacent research office
next to the existing building occupied by NOAA and the
University of Alaska.
Project # 44823
Lower Kasilof Boat Launch
$2,000,000 (General Fund $1,250,000; Federal $750,000)
Mr. Hoover explained that this project would be phased in
over two years with first the purchase of the land from a
private landowner then the design and construction of the
boat launch.
1:54:52 PM
Co-Chair Stedman asked if there had been a commercial
appraisal of land. Mr. Hoover said he would report back to
the committee on that issue.
Project # 44833
Kanalku Lake - Angoon Fish ladder
$200,000 General Fund
Mr. Hoover explained this request was for the planning,
construction, and evaluation of a sockeye salmon fish pass
consisting of eleven jump pools and a flow diverter near the
outlets of Kanalku Lake and the community of Angoon.
Co-Chair Stedman asked if there had been an impact on
fishing as a result of the recent escapements.
Mr. Hoover replied that efforts have been made to improve
the situation.
JOHN HILLSINGER, DIRECTOR OF COMMERCIAL FISHERIES, remarked
that the sockeye run had been down in recent years compared
to its historic output. He explained that over the last
couple of years less than thirty percent of the fish had
been able make it above the falls. The ladder would allow
fish to more easily make it up the falls to the lake where
they would be protected.
Co-Chair Stedman asked if there is additional funding in the
supplemental bill to address this same issue. Mr. Hoover
replied that he was not aware of any additional funding.
Senator Huggins interjected that he has been supportive of
additional construction of fish ladders but wanted more
information about beaver dam removal.
1:59:31 PM
Senator Elton questioned if the falls were on forest service
land and, if so, he wondered if they were participating
financially.
Mr. Hilsinger said that the forest service is supportive and
will participate in the design phase.
Senator Elton asked if the construction costs would be
handled by the state.
Mr. Hilsinger replied that the state would pay for the
construction.
2:00:22 PM
Project # 33647
Pacific Coastal Salmon Recovery Fund
$22,000,000 Federal
Mr. Hoover cited that this was the ninth year for receiving
these federal funds. In prior years the money came to the
governor's office then was sent to Fish and Game but in FY
09 the department is asking for the federal funds directly.
Co-Chair Stedman asked why.
Mr. Hoover believed it would relieve unnecessary
administrative steps.
Co-Chair Hoffman considered this not the only administrative
change on how dollars were spent, particularly in western
Alaska, so he intended to check with the commissioner to
keep the traditional funding in western Alaska.
Co-Chair Stedman requested a report on the changes.
Mr. Hoover replied that there was a report that could be
given to the committee in response to the senator's request.
In prior years there were lots of earmarks attached but in
FY 08 and FY 09 the program is now a competitive proposal.
Mr. Hoover added that there is now information on the Fish
and Game website on how to apply for the funding.
2:02:56 PM
Co-Chair Hoffman felt the specific earmarks should follow
the original intent of the appropriation.
Mr. Hoover responded that he would follow up and provide
additional information.
Project # 45358
Licensing Point of Sale System
$200,000 Fish and Game funds
Mr. Hoover related that this would be a one time project to
purchase equipment for approximately forty sale terminals.
He noted there are sixteen hundred terminals statewide with
thirty-five selling about one-half of the licenses. Co-Chair
Stedman requested a list of the vendors.
Senator Elton said he would like to know what impact this
would have on vendors. He wondered if this would require
additional training for the vendors and retire maintenance
of electronic machines.
Mr. Hoover explained that the plan was to eliminate some of
the paperwork burden on vendors. He agreed there would be
new equipment and training over the next few years.
Co-Chair Stedman asked if this cost covers the entire
program.
Mr. Hoover replied that this funding just provided for
equipment purchase in forty locations.
Project # 45374
Crew Member Fishing Participation Database
$150,000 Fish and Game funds
Mr. Hoover explained that funds would be used for the
development of an electronic system for collecting,
maintaining, and reporting on the commercial fishing
activities of 27,000 crew members participating in Alaska's
commercial fisheries.
Project # 31317
Juneau Hunter Education Indoor Shooting Range
$338,000 ($150,000 Fish and Game; $188,000)
Mr. Hoover noted this will allow the completion of the
Juneau Hunter Education Public Shooting Range that was
constructed in 2004.
Co-Chair Stedman asked if this item was vetoed last year.
Senator Elton replied that it was vetoed last year but he
did not remember the money amount. He added that if the
building is completed a fish and game staff member would no
longer need to be present.
DOUG LARSON, DIRECTOR OF DIVISION OF WILDLIFE CONSERVATION,
responded it would not mitigate the need to have fish and
game staff on site but the rational is to get more users
into the facility. He emphasized that the archery side would
become completely separate from the gun range therefore a
range safety officer would be required on the rifle side but
volunteers could man the archery side.
2:09:19 PM
Co-Chair Hoffman remarked that there is no funding on the
senate side in the operating budget for added fish and game
positions.
Senator Huggins announced that there were no facilities in
his district and requested the fish and game philosophy on
where they are located.
Mr. Larson responded that facilities are very expensive
which precludes building in other areas and that available
funds have not been present. He recounted the present
locations were in Juneau, Fairbanks and Anchorage. He
pointed out that the philosophy behind the ranges is for
proper training and hunter information.
2:12:39 PM
Co-Chair Hoffman noted that people in western Alaska rely
heavily on rifles for subsistence and that all the ranges
there are self-sufficient.
Co-Chair Stedman added that some ranges in Southeast are
private or run by a municipality. He further commented on
the previous veto and wondered what assurances there were
that the governor will not veto this again.
Mr. Hoover remarked that the original request was for
General Funds but now the funding source is Fish and Game
and Statutory Receipts. He signified that this is the
governor's project so did not believe there was any intent
to veto it.
2:14:23 PM
Senator Elton confirmed that last year the project was for
General Fund money but now the funding source is different.
Co-Chair Stedman agreed the facilities are beneficial to
communities but the issue is what is being done with the
items.
2:15:59 PM
Senator Thomas informed the committee that several ranges
have closed due to lead contamination. He asked if federal
funds are used to support ranges and that facility closes,
would the state have to pay back the funds. He also wondered
what it might take to make the ranges self-sufficient.
Mr. Larsen reported that when federal funds were
appropriated to the state and the facility closes or changes
to private hands then the funds would be paid back to the
federal government.
Co-Chair Stedman believed there was a time frame on the
aforementioned limitations.
2:18:32 PM
Co-Chair Hoffman questioned whether the state can afford to
maintain and operate the facilities. He noted last year a
letter of intent stated that the department needs to find
alternate revenues to operate these facilities and the
committee is still waiting for that report.
Mr. Larson clarified that the requested amount is the same
as last year. He added that there are a number of volunteer
and private organizations willing to make up the difference
to maintain the facilities. He added that more users would
bring in more revenue.
Co-Chair Stedman wondered why Juneau is considered core
state service and not Ketchikan or Sitka.
2:21:43 PM
Mr. Larson explained that the definition of a core state
service needs to be identified.
Senator Elton commented that historically this project came
on line years ago when there was a pool of money to build a
facility. This facility was not just paid for by the state
but the city of Juneau contributed significantly on access,
water, and utilities.
Co-Chair Stedman said there is a lot of support for shooting
ranges but it is a matter of equity in distributing funds.
He suggested the Commissioner come to the committee for a
discussion of these issues.
2:24:22 PM
Project #45220
Birch Lake Weir Site Land Acquisition
$200,000 ($150,000 Federal Receipts, $50,000 Fish and Game)
Mr. Hoover commented that this funding is a one time project
to appraise and purchase land for the Birch Lake weir. He
reported that the property is now owned by the Mental Health
Trust and these funds would purchase the land from them.
Project # 45215
Whittier Harbor Transient Moorage - Boating Infrastructure.
$1,500,000 (Federal Receipts)
Mr. Hoover commented that this project will provide
transient moorage for large (over 26 feet) recreational
boats. He indicated that the non-federal match ($2,129,800)
would be provided by the City of Whittier.
2:25:53 PM
Co-Chair Stedman mentioned the Harbor Capital request lists
and wondered why the Whittier harbor was not on the capital
request list.
CHARLES SWANSON, SOUTHEAST REGIONAL SUPERVISOR, DIVISION OF
SPORT FISH, DEPARTMENT OF FISH & GAME, believed the federal
appropriation is from the BIG federal appropriation which is
a boating infrastructure grant which is separate from the
boater access money.
Project # 30432
Sport fish Recreational Boating Access
$3,100,000 ($2,325,000 Federal; $775,000 Fish and Game)
Mr. Hoover remarked that this is an annual request
authorizing the Division of Sport Fish to continue to
construct and upgrade boating and sport fish access
facilities statewide from funds comprised of seventy-five
percent federal assistance and twenty five percent Fish and
Game Fund state match.
Co-Chair Stedman asked if the proposed projects were
available.
2:28:20 PM
Mr. Swanson indicated there were fourteen projects across
the state and he would submit the list to the committee.
Co-Chair Stedman declared the interest among committee
members for boat ramp access and improvements but requested
a priority list with an explanation on how they were
prioritized. He also requested a list of those projects that
did not make the priority list.
Senator Elton asked why the lower Kasiloff River boat launch
was not a part of this request.
2:30:16 PM
Mr. Swanson reported that the first phase for lower Kasiloff
is for land acquisition but after that, the money requested
would be part of the normal process.
Senator Elton asked if federal dollars can be used to
purchase land.
Mr. Swanson believed federal money could be used for land
purchase but was not sure for a fact.
2:31:44 PM
Co-Chair Stedman asked if Stargaven in was on the list since
he was disappointed it was vetoed last year. He supported
developing boat ramps around Alaska, but was concerned about
the equity issue.
Senator Huggins acknowledged he would like to see the time-
line for projects and the variables in determining
priorities.
Mr. Swanson remarked he had the information on hand.
Co-Chair Stedman said he would like the information for
dissemination to the committee.
2:34:18 PM
Co-Chair Hoffman said he would like to see the last three
years of expenditures to determine what projects have been
funded.
Co-Chair Stedman noted the importance of ranking projects.
2:35:23 PM
Project # 45482
Statewide Facility Deferred Maintenance Bonding Projects
$1,900,000
Mr. Hoover recounted the change by amendment in the funding
source from the Alaska Student Loan Corporation Bond
Receipts to Alaska Capital Income Fund Receipts. He listed
the four projects in the appropriation; The Tok Compound
Replacements, the Emmonak Bunkhouse Replacement, the
Statewide Facility Roofing and Siding Replacement, and the
Statewide Field Camp Housing Replacement Projects. He
declared many Tok offices in need of upgrade or replacement
since they fail to meet current building codes or energy
efficiency standards. The Emmonak Bunkhouse, at the mouth of
the Yukon, is a critical monitoring station for commercial
fishing that is busiest during the May-September period. The
department must secure rental prosperities from local
vendors which are expensive and difficult to obtain. Mr.
Hoover continued that with over forty facility locations
throughout the state, roofing and siding replacement would
be spread over several years, starting with the highest
priority.
2:38:42 PM
Mr. Hoover continued with the last project for stateside
field camp replacement projects in multiple locations
throughout the state.
2:39:17 PM
Project # 42983
Language: Sport Fisheries Hatchery Construction Investment
Earnings
$6,000,000
Mr. Hoover remarked that this allows the Sports Fisheries
Division to utilize the investment earnings in the Alaska
Sports Fisheries construction account for hatcheries in
Anchorage and Fairbanks. Investment earnings have been in
the account since 2006.
Co-Chair Stedman asked if this request addresses the intent
of the bond issuance within the original bill.
Mr. Swanson understood this to be correct.
Co-Chair Stedman suggested that this be researched and
confirmed that it aligns with the original intent. He
further requested information on where the funds would be
appropriated, specifically to hatcheries.
2:41:45 PM
Mr. Swanson said he would research the language regarding
the bond and interest earnings. He understood that the funds
from the earnings would be used for construction.
Project #
Installation of Capstone Avionics for Wildlife Conservation
Aircraft
Mr. Hoover reported this would be a one time project
covering seven aircraft within wildlife conservation. The
department would work with the FAA who is providing ground
stations and equipment to make project functional.
2:43:53 PM
Co-Chair Stedman reiterated that what had been presented was
the priority list and asked that further information be
provided on the boat ramp, shooting ranges and fish
hatcheries.
AT EASE: 2:44:58 PM
RECONVENED: 2:45:07 PM
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